Listen now | On this episode of “Death in The Garden,” we talked with pastoralist advocate, ethnoveterinarian, and author Ilse Köhler-Rollefson about her new book, Hoofprints on the Land. We absolutely loved Ilse’s book, and were honored to discuss it in detail with her. We talked about sedentarization being used as a tool of colonial control, the importance of decolonized animal science, the brutality of factory farming, and the fallacy of eliminating livestock as a means to rewild. We discuss field slaughtering and the importance of connecting with death. We talk about 30x30 and how fortress conservation harms human-coupled ecosystems by severing the relationships between pastoralist and indigenous peoples from nature. We talk about how both sides of the livestock debate (plant-based and industrial animal ag proponents) both have a tendency to reduce animals into input-output machines, measuring their value based on efficiency and their ability to convert nutrients into food— comparing that with the reverence and respect pastoralists have for their herds as members of a mutually beneficial co-creative team. Overall, we discussed how pastoralism is the way of the future, and how important it is to protect and learn from those who steward lifeway that is under threat around the world.